SRAM Eagle Shifting Problem

I’ve been trying to diagnose a serious SRAM Eagle shifting problem with my XX1 Eagle drive-train that no shop or SRAM is able of diagnosing or fixing, and I’m close to concluding that SRAM Eagle has a serious design flaw.

SRAM Eagle Shifting Problem
Desynchronized chain riding on top of 42t and 50t sprocket

I bought a new 2017 Trek Fuel Ex 9.9 in May and the lower two gears have been crunchy since I rode out the shop. The bike has never been crashed nor has it fallen over. All the basics have been checked, derailleur hanger alignment, chain length, cable routing, kinks in the cable, and proper derailleur alignment was done several times using the red plastic SRAM b-alignment tool (with the shock compressed for sag). No matter how much fiddling, no amount of adjustment is able to prevent the occasional misshift when downshifting to the 42t and 50t sprockets.

Misshift is a mild way of putting it. On a bike stand, shifting from 3rd, to 2nd and 1st gears, the chain will often end up riding on TOP of the sprocket teeth and stay there. Out on the trail, the same thing happens momentarily before the torque from the pedal stroke violently pulls and drags the chain OVER the entire sprocket moving it forward by 1 tooth before it settles into place. It’s actually hard to see this while it’s happening but this is what’s going on when you hear those nasty klunks on those two larger gears.

Reviews online are overwhelmingly positive and read more like press releases, but a few reviews have hinted at the problem.

MTBR mentions :

“an occasional pop in the rear cassette and chain”

but never goes into detail about it .

Singletracks.com also hints at it:

“At one point, I did get the drivetrain to squawk at me: when accelerating out of the saddle, up out of a mud hole, on a stupid-steep hill, and attempting to downshift three gears at once. Ultimately it was a bad call on my part, and while the drivetrain crackled and groaned under pressure and from grit in the gears”

Pinkbike also hints at the problem but completely minimizes it :

“The eight-tooth jump from the 42- to the 50-tooth cogs did sometimes sound a little louder than the other shifts, but the chain always ended up exactly where it was supposed to be, even when shifting on a steep uphill. That jump between those final two gears didn’t bother me out on the trail, although it may take time for riders that are more particular about their cadence to get used to it. As I mentioned, I typically used that cog as a bailout, a last ditch effort to keep my momentum on tricky climbs”

Pinkbike even has a picture of their bike with the chain riding on top of the spocket…

SRAM Eagle Shifting Problem
Pinkbike’s review bike showing the desynchronized chain

After a lot of analysis, these misshifts appear to be more indicative of a design problem. The two largest sprockets on SRAM Eagle cassettes have a narrow-wide tooth profile. While narrow wide works extremely well on a chain ring, its use on a cassette is questionable. Narrow wide on a single chain ring setup works because the chain never leaves the ring.

Remember how narrow wide works : the chain ring has a series of alternating wide and narrowly cut teeth that integrate with corresponding narrow wide gaps in the male and female links of the chain (I’ll update this post soon with pictures). The chain can only fit around alternating links; and you can try this yourself,  shift the chain by 1 tooth on the chain ring and the chain won’t mesh at all instead sitting on top of the chain-ring. This obviously makes sense as the large tooth is too wide to fit in the narrow link. But as I said, this isn’t a problem on a single chain ring setup as the chain always remains in the same [synchronized] position.

This isn’t true with a cassette, the chain changes sprockets every single time a shift is made. And shifting isn’t a binary process; as you shift, the chain gets pushed to the side of the adjacent cog and  gets lifted by friction. Complicated ramps and tooth profiles help transition the chain as smoothly as possible onto the next gear but timing is still a fuzzy “let’s hope for the best” process, and expecting the chain to be synchronized on every shift is the only way SRAM Eagle can possibly work.

As I’ve experienced, this isn’t the case. I’ve seen several people experiencing similar problems, one of the mechanics says he’s even noticed it on his Santa Cruz but just lives with it. At a Yeti dealer we put one of the Eagle equipped bikes on the stand and were able to easily reproduce the problem, and I have recently come across two reports of broken teeth on the 50t cassette sprockets with no explanation for the damage. I suspect the violent shift of the chain dragging across the sprocket can put so much stress on the teeth that they can shear off under enough pressure :

 

SRAM Eagle shifting problem shears off the tooth from this cassette
Narrow wide tooth profile on SRAM Eagle cassette can have serious consequences on the cassette.
SRAM Eagle shifting problem destroyed another cassette
Another SRAM Eagle casualty from a nw tooth profile

Some people claim their Eagle is perfect, but I suspect these owners are accepting of the occasional clunk in their drive-train. And to be honest, a majority of the time SRAM Eagle does shift very well. Maybe I was spoiled with my previous setup : 2008 Shimano XT 3X, but after thousands of miles it still shifts flawlessly without a hiccup. I naturally expected my 10 year newer 1X “simpler” drive-train to perform at least as well but it doesn’t.

What’s more frustrating is how the 6 bike shops that I’ve gone to (all Trek and SRAM dealers) are incapable of diagnosing the problem and finding a solution. SRAM sent one dealer a new cassette and seemed aware of the problem. And after several more phone calls to SRAM they said that the chain on occasion can ride on TOP of the 42/50t sprockets – but they don’t know how to reproduce it. At least that’s what the bike mechanic who spoke with SRAM told me.

I’m trying not to jump to conclusions, but this appears to be a compromised design and a poor solution to prevent chain drop while backpedaling. If you have any insight into what is going on, please contact me directly or leave a message below.

24 Replies to “SRAM Eagle Shifting Problem”

  1. Similar problems. My eagle 1×12 sucks. CRAP. Spent a fortune on the top of the line and junk! Same problem with mine. Can’t tune it properly. Even snags in the derailleur. I can’t believe they let this design go to market. Junk.

  2. …….So I just went through this whole ordeal with my brand new Fuel Ex8 – bike started having issues shifting into the high gears, so Sram sent me a new derailer, bike shop installed it only to find out it was not shifting properly (again). The bike tech asked me if I had done anything to bend the derailer I said no, long story short, you know what the problem was? No, not the derailer, it has the frame “hanger”, it was bent this throwing the whole shifting off regardless of a new derailer and or all the adjustments they were making. Bike shifts amazingly, no issues

  3. figured it out for me:
    One bent link in the chain, cable housing drag with the cable, one more link in the system. Fixed those things and works perfectly.

    1. Chain length is very important, if you have a dual suspension bike you should compress the shock until maximum chain-stay length to determine the correct length. Wrap the chain around the chainring and 50t sprocket (bypassing the derailleur) and overlap by one link on either end, then cut.

      I’m sure yours shifts much better now but is it really perfect ? It’s impossible for the chain to be synchronized on every shift on the two lowest gears.

    1. Mine aren’t worn, but they do get gunked up very quickly. I’m having the occasional problem where the chain rides on top of the lower jockey wheel, the lower one is narrow wide and for some reason randomly becomes de-synchronized…

      SRAM is replacing my entire drivetrain next Thursday but I doubt it will make much difference until they change the cassette tooth profile.

        1. SRAM replaced the cassette chain and derailleur and new housing was installed. It did shift better than it ever has but that only lasted all of 2 hours…

          Now it’s back to shifting like crap. Which was expected… How is yours holding up ?

  4. Yep, same thing here with new Eagle XO1. Everything seems adjusted correctly, shifting if very good. Just the occasionally clunk in the back when downshifting to the 42 and 50. Can easily see it happen in the stand. Weird.

    1. What’s actually happening is that when you downshift quickly, instead of the sprocket ramps doing the actual lifting of the chain and synchronization, it’s the friction from the chain against the adjacent sprocket that does the shift – so no guarantee it will be synchronized… so then the chain rides on top and clunks. Design flaw.

  5. Ja quebrou 3 câmbios GX eagle na mimha Giant Anthem 2 2017 ,desisti do kit já que nao aguento mais trocar o câmbio que sempre quebra da mesma forma

  6. Had a nightmare with the GX12, always in the mid range of the cassette the chain would drop off the top upper mech wheel shattering it and destroying the mech. The mech was then replaced under warranty as the bike was 3 weeks old this then happened another 4 times. The bike was then rejected 🙁 felt I was going mad till I saw other people having the same trouble.

  7. Just put my bike on the stand and noticed this exact issue where the chain was riding on top of the 2 largest rings. I could not figure out what was happening. Back pedalled and the chain jumped from the 50 to the 42 and now the problem was fixed. Had me totally confused till I found this post. Thanks.

  8. Having same problem 200miles on first rear gx mech chain got snagged and dragged the whole thing into the spokes destroyed mech & chain SRAM sent new mech and chain but still got same problem, been using SRAM 11speed for 2 years without issue there is definitely a design problem with this..avoid.

  9. Just got my new YT Jeffsey today. Has SRAM Eagle drive train. Put it together, got it on the stand to dial in the shifting and immediately noticed this problem. Haven’t even ridden in yet.

    Author is correct on the narrow-wide teeth diagnosis. What’s happening here is that when the chain shifts onto the largest sprocket, if the inner chain links end up on a wide tooth, chain rides on top of the sprocket. It can’t seat properly.

    This is 100% a design flaw and it’s truly is shocking that these damn things are still being sold.

    Design flaws with SRAM are not uncommon, sadly. I’ve noticed other issues, particularly with their pre-pulley derailleurs. The cable rides on the sharp edge as it comes out from where the ferrule sits essentially cutting the cable. My friend, who has gone through two different SRAM derailleurs (2015 X9 and X0) goes through at least 3 cables every summer. On top of that, to add insult to injury, in order to replace your cable you have to take the shifter right off of its mount and take the top cap off. Then you have to fight with it a bit just to push the cable out. Unlike Shimano where all you have to do is unscrew the side cap and the cable comes right out. No problems. I’ve been using the same cable on my Shimano Saint for 2 years now. Will be 3 next year with amazing shifting.

    It seems that SRAM’s designers have no sense of UX – User Experience.

    I’ll probably get lots of people disagreeing with me on this next statement, but I don’t care: SRAM’s designers desperately need to go back to school. All of them. Especially their lead designer. Get your shit together FFS! Stop peddling over priced garbage to people.

  10. I’ve been riding with the same XTR that I got on my bike in 2004 and it shifts as perfect as the day I bought it new. I just bought a 2018 Canyon Exceed with GX Eagle. The bike is fantastic but I have this exact same problem with my drivetrain. It only happens on the 42 tooth for me but it happens regularly. I’m so glad I found this post. I thought I was going crazy. I really thought that it was going to be much higher quality. I would love to swap it out for the new 12-speed XTR but that’s probably going to cost a fortune, so I’m going to have to deal with it.

  11. Hi, anyone know if the e*thirteen or sunrace 12 Speed cassettes solve the problem? Ie are the non narrow wide 50 and 42 gears?

  12. One thing I found is to tighten the derailleur just barely enough to shift to a bigger sprocket. That way only the ramps that are supposed to catch the chain at the right time will do the shift. The chain won’t shift in absence of a ramp from just being shoved towards the bigger sprocket too hard.

  13. I have problems on my XO1 drivetrain, noisy, cracking sound, bad downshifting, if I solve the problem with downshifting, then there it shifts bad to 42&50 teeth cogs. Tried many tumes, like sram recommends. Nothing helps, lot of frustration for big money. I think I will swap to shimano. My best friends four years old shimano drivetrain shifts 10x better then my new, expensive sram xo1

    1. The most important adjustment you can make is the b screw. Use the sram plastic tool to properly gauge the distance between the upper pulley and largest sprocket. Then you can use the barrel adjuster to fine tune the rest. It will never be perfect but pretty good.

  14. I have a 2018 Specialized Epic that came with GX Eagle drivetrain. 3 cassettes (warranty) later the chain is still riding up on the 42. Each time the shop fixes it I take it out for a ride and it is perfect for the first hour or so then the problems start. I thought X0 might be better so I got a X0 derailleur and shifter. Still no good. The bike is in the shop more than it is with me.
    Has anyone gone back to 1×11?
    Mick

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